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all those same polls that show president obama leading and claims to correct the bias, turning romney deficits into commanding romney leads. the idea behind is it simple. all polls base the outcome on what pollsters believe the electorate will look like, how many democrats versus how many republicans they think will actually turn out. getting that partisan makeup wrong can tilt the predictions. the people that don't believe the polls say this time, pollsters think the 2012 electorate will look a lot like 2008 and this they say is wrong. notice i said this time. back in 2004, democrats complained that the polls which showed george w. bush leading were overestimating the number of republicans who would vote. they were wrong. the polls were right. in 2000, al gore said don't believe the polls, polls showed him losing narrowly. polls were right. in fact, it's hard to find an example of the polls on average getting it wrong unless you go back to 1948, when they predicted thomas dewey defeated president harry truman. cnn political contributor ari fleischer joins us. he's an occasionally unpaid commu
all those same polls that show president obama leading and claims to correct the bias, turning romney deficits into commanding romney leads. the idea behind is it simple. all polls base the outcome on what pollsters believe the electorate will look like, how many democrats versus how many republicans they think will actually turn out. getting that partisan makeup wrong can tilt the predictions. the people that don't believe the polls say this time, pollsters think the 2012 electorate will look...
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going to be the cross of where this discussion goes, president barack obama point is you cannot fix the deficit problem without some kind of increased revenue romney said revenue will come from tax cuts so it's allhow well the president can make his point, i never heard romney hit obama with the auto bailouts. we are talking about the economy tonight. we have three more debates to go into the vice presidential debate will be one of them, a teenage hockey player hits the ice in something he did not expect. a simpler time when all of these actions might not be looked at by a camera. ♪ ♪ forza! (power!) andiamo! andiamo! (let's go! let's go!) avanti! avanti! (keep going! keep going!) hahaha...hahahaha! you know ronny folks who save hundreds of dollars by switching to geico sure are happy. and how happy are they jimmy? happier than christopher columbus with speedboats. that's happy! get happy. get geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. the labor dispute in the nhl has kept the black hawks of of the eyes but it has not stopped one new jersey team from hitting the ice and
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zone is also at stake the government needs to save thirty billion euros in twelve months to reduce the deficit from this year's four and a half percent to three percent the e.u. ceiling for member countries higher taxes for business and wealthy individuals are expected to bring twenty billion and all and has outlined a plan to save the other ten billion by cutting public spending plans was so you know has worked in a handful of french ministries over the last twenty years he says france's current leader may fall into the same trap many of his criticizers deal. who who who the past decades of governments have been cutting and cutting and cutting mostly to expenses to balance budgets but in fact the more they cut the slower the economic growth and consequently more cuts this will be a catastrophic budget i think taxing the rich and unprecedented seventy five percent for those that earn however a million euros a year was one of our lands crucial election promises allow a publisher editor and a french millionaire says the move is nothing but a political game. did this to make his electorate come d
zone is also at stake the government needs to save thirty billion euros in twelve months to reduce the deficit from this year's four and a half percent to three percent the e.u. ceiling for member countries higher taxes for business and wealthy individuals are expected to bring twenty billion and all and has outlined a plan to save the other ten billion by cutting public spending plans was so you know has worked in a handful of french ministries over the last twenty years he says france's...
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is still part of cope with its own deficit struggling to reduce that deficit in catalonia about forty billion euros but here they say they've made deeper and tougher cuts than anywhere else in spain this issue actually earlier this month or so about a million people onto the streets in barcelona is a call for independence away from madrid because a very tough time for spain as a whole particularly for the government of prime minister rudd hordes as one m.p.'s dubbed it is a crisis on top of a crisis as they're facing their own problems of deficit reduction and people coming out to the streets in their tens of thousands to protest against how the government is handling austerity measures. we've just seen this week protests turned violent the occupy congress movement which started peacefully aim to get a message of and just terribly through choice piece and ended in violence of police pushing back the protesters with a big hit by battens having robots their direction and it's also about sixty people were injured in proceedings about thirty people being detained as a worrying sign for so
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the deficit was front and center. react to this. >> the president said he would cut the deficit in half. unfortunately, he doubled it. $1 trillion deficits for the last fur -- four years. the president put almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >>neil: what he was saying, whatever you inherited you did that and then some. did that register? >>guest: again, it is like delivering a spanking in the boardroom, point one, point two, point three, you said this was the budget. you didn't do it. you said this is the revenue, you didn't do it. the promised the people this, you didn't do it. i can. it made a compelling point not just to people that are loyal to mitt romney but also people that are undecided. i believe, also, the conviction, you could see it, that president obama literally started submitting through the debit to the points. >>neil: it is interesting. very interesting dissertation to wrap your arms around what was an economic tutoring. very weird. forget about getting the undecid
the deficit was front and center. react to this. >> the president said he would cut the deficit in half. unfortunately, he doubled it. $1 trillion deficits for the last fur -- four years. the president put almost as much debt held by the public as all prior presidents combined. >>neil: what he was saying, whatever you inherited you did that and then some. did that register? >>guest: again, it is like delivering a spanking in the boardroom, point one, point two, point three,...
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and you talk about the deficit? the paul ryan budget that mr. romney says is a marvelous budget won't achieve balance until 30 years from now? romney-ryan aren't even fiscally responsible in their plans. all they want to do is to go back to the bush policies. >> let me interrupt. >> the debt just went up astro nommicly under this president. he's moving in the wrong direction. >> thank you both, ted strickland, ken blackwell, appreciate the discussion. thank you. >>> the world is focusing on iran's nuclear program, thanks in part to israel's attention to the issue. but what about israel's nukes? we investigate next. one is for a clean, wedomestic energy future that puts us in control. our abundant natural gas is already saving us money, producing cleaner electricity, putting us to work here in america and supporting wind and solar. though all energy development comes with some risk, we're committed to safely and responsibly producing natural gas. it's not a dream. america's natural gas... putting us in control of our energy future, now. and the c
and you talk about the deficit? the paul ryan budget that mr. romney says is a marvelous budget won't achieve balance until 30 years from now? romney-ryan aren't even fiscally responsible in their plans. all they want to do is to go back to the bush policies. >> let me interrupt. >> the debt just went up astro nommicly under this president. he's moving in the wrong direction. >> thank you both, ted strickland, ken blackwell, appreciate the discussion. thank you. >>>...
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right now in trying to get reelected, he faces a deficit among women voters of about 12 points. interestingly though, the most politically damaging thing about that awkward introduction to the national political universe might not have been what mr. brown said about his daughters while they tried to make him stop, but what happened right before that. >> scott brown's victory is a shot heard around the world. here he is, the united states senator from massachusetts, scott brown. >> the man who introduced scott brown at his victory party was his dear friend and political ally mitt romney. these days if you went by massachusetts politics, if you only had massachusetts media fed into your home, you'd have no idea that the same guy was running for president. today was the second debate between scott brown and elizabeth warren. two things you'll remember in the first debate. the first the vehemence he attacked elizabeth warren on the basis of race in the first debate saying he could tell by looking at the law professor that she wasn't really native american. that was followed up by tw
right now in trying to get reelected, he faces a deficit among women voters of about 12 points. interestingly though, the most politically damaging thing about that awkward introduction to the national political universe might not have been what mr. brown said about his daughters while they tried to make him stop, but what happened right before that. >> scott brown's victory is a shot heard around the world. here he is, the united states senator from massachusetts, scott brown. >>...
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mitt romney, doesn't have a deficit reduction plan. he wants to spend $2 trillion more in defense, $5 trillion more in a tax cut won't tell us how you pay for, before you even start talking about deficit reduction. it's a joke to think mitt romney will actually take action to redaus the deficit. >> taxes, this week he did come out with this proposal of eliminating $17,000 in deductions. >> right. >> your response to that? >> well, you know, he left out a number of different details of that proposal but i would also say that limiting deductions to $17,000 for middle-class families still results in a tax increase. even in just the health premium deduction, for families last year, were about $15,000. there you go. what happens to the mortgage deduction, charitable deduction, child deduction. he's raising taxes on middle class families. >> if this comes up and mitt romney starts to do that math that paul ryan wouldn't do, i'm sure this will be a topic of discussion. >> how worried are you about the jobs report on friday? >> we face this ev
mitt romney, doesn't have a deficit reduction plan. he wants to spend $2 trillion more in defense, $5 trillion more in a tax cut won't tell us how you pay for, before you even start talking about deficit reduction. it's a joke to think mitt romney will actually take action to redaus the deficit. >> taxes, this week he did come out with this proposal of eliminating $17,000 in deductions. >> right. >> your response to that? >> well, you know, he left out a number of...
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. >> which focused heavily on domestic issues, the future of medicare and cutting the federal deficit. >> obamacare is on my list. i use that term with all respect. so i will get rid of that. i will stop the subsidy to pbs. pn i like pbs. >> that means you will gut our investments in schools and education. establishes the beginning. there are two more debates to go. >> governor of rally is working as a surrogate for the obama team, talking to reporters after the debate. back here at home, several college campuses have to debate what parties. -- watch parties. sheldon joins us live from johns hopkins university. >> we are about a month away from the election. a lot of voters we talked to seem to be passionate about both candidates. you'll remember from the 2008 election that college-aged voters were energized and excited headed into the election. based on the conversation we have had here, the same seems to be happening this year. >> the dining hall, it is never this fall. i think everyone is really excited for the election and the debate progressed more than seven it lasted as piled i
. >> which focused heavily on domestic issues, the future of medicare and cutting the federal deficit. >> obamacare is on my list. i use that term with all respect. so i will get rid of that. i will stop the subsidy to pbs. pn i like pbs. >> that means you will gut our investments in schools and education. establishes the beginning. there are two more debates to go. >> governor of rally is working as a surrogate for the obama team, talking to reporters after the debate....
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>> he is talking about the economy, talking about the deficit, talking about four years of president obama would be detrimental to the country. it's pretty plain and simple. president obama and republican nominee mitt romney are laying low today because they're getting ready to prepare for the debate, so it's the number 2s on the campaign trail. right behind me here, here's paul ryan stumping here in new hampshire, a crucial battleground state. when he's done here, he goes to ohio later today. another very big important battleground state. and that's the whole idea here, as the president and mitt romney get ready for the debate. paul ryan and vice president joe biden are on the campaign trail. specific new hampshire. the race here is kind of close. the most recent poll shows president obama with a five-point advantage over mitt romney. definitely a very close contest here in new hampshire. this is a state that may not know paul ryan very well, but knows mitt romney very well, who was governor of neighboring massachusetts. he owns a vacation home here in new hampshire. spends a lot of
>> he is talking about the economy, talking about the deficit, talking about four years of president obama would be detrimental to the country. it's pretty plain and simple. president obama and republican nominee mitt romney are laying low today because they're getting ready to prepare for the debate, so it's the number 2s on the campaign trail. right behind me here, here's paul ryan stumping here in new hampshire, a crucial battleground state. when he's done here, he goes to ohio later...
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austerity has become all too familiar in europe, facing spiraling deficits and higher unemployment, spain unleashed drafting spending cuts to date are around $50 billion. it is europe's largest -- fourth largest economy. gavin hewitt has more from madrid. >> lines of police outside the education ministry in madrid tonight. teachers protested here against cuts. they came onto the street at the government's announced the most severe round of budget savings so far. these latest austerity measures are widely seen as paving the way for a full-scale bailout. >> [spending -- speaking spanish] >> the minister of finance said he heard 2012 would be the last year the economy would shrink. another minister described it as a crisis budget designed to exit the crisis. this austerity budget aims to find savings of 40 billion joerres next year. each government department would how to make cuts of 90%. public-sector pay will be frozen for another year, and the retirement age is set to rise. >> just a few weeks ago, europe believed it had achieved a breakthrough. the european central bank said it would he
austerity has become all too familiar in europe, facing spiraling deficits and higher unemployment, spain unleashed drafting spending cuts to date are around $50 billion. it is europe's largest -- fourth largest economy. gavin hewitt has more from madrid. >> lines of police outside the education ministry in madrid tonight. teachers protested here against cuts. they came onto the street at the government's announced the most severe round of budget savings so far. these latest austerity...
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changes here in the country but while france is economically struggling with an almost huge budget deficit and an employment level the highest it's been in more than a decade the question is whether the change that people here voted for has been for the better. or if not. paris france and of course r.t. is coming to you live from the heart of moscow i'm wrong and i'll have more news for you after a very short break. looking at some dogs you simply do not believe they come speak and goodness how they can wrong oh. it's an international sled dog race with those driving the dogs. coming from as far away as a strength in canada and the us they come to russia and everybody is so very friendly they welcomed me with open arms and the scenery is so beautiful it's very much like alaska and so i felt at home the first sled dog was brought here from australia now a stray i've come to this remote russian village to take part in the race it's not surprising they love it this trail ira mazie. but even more amazing is the story of how racing first started here at all it wasn't the tough mushers of sled d
changes here in the country but while france is economically struggling with an almost huge budget deficit and an employment level the highest it's been in more than a decade the question is whether the change that people here voted for has been for the better. or if not. paris france and of course r.t. is coming to you live from the heart of moscow i'm wrong and i'll have more news for you after a very short break. looking at some dogs you simply do not believe they come speak and goodness how...
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changes here in the country but while france is economically struggling with an almost huge budget deficit and unemployment level the highest it's been in more than a decade the question is whether the change that people here voted for has been for the better. or if not. paris france. south america is the new hunting ground for russian oil and sun daniel is here with business news story. joins all field in venezuela the company will come sixteen billion dollars into the current go to block it will share with venezuela see. which is also tying up a volved cross ownership deal with britain's b.p. really explains. there are more twists and turns in this field than on the muse where the pork rights to really get the full picture when we take a look at who makes up the n.k.p. and how we got to this point so the british partners are here the russian side is represented by a our tension between the two has been brewing for years culminated when b.p. decided to venture out on its own and partner up with another or major that was wrong to explore the arctic a are of course would have a none of that
changes here in the country but while france is economically struggling with an almost huge budget deficit and unemployment level the highest it's been in more than a decade the question is whether the change that people here voted for has been for the better. or if not. paris france. south america is the new hunting ground for russian oil and sun daniel is here with business news story. joins all field in venezuela the company will come sixteen billion dollars into the current go to block it...
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s dubbed it is a crisis on top of a crisis as they're facing their own problems of deficit reduction and people coming out to the streets in their tens of thousands to protest against how the government is handling austerity measures we've just seen this week protests turned violent the occupy congress movement which started peacefully aim to get a message of and just barely through two am peace and ended in violence of police pushing back the protesters with being hit by battens having a bullet fired in their direction and it's also about sixty people were injured in proceedings about thirty people being detained as a worrying sign for some of these demonstrations turned more violent after as they continue. spokesperson for the european partnership point dependent says catalonia is economic stagnation stems from the fact that most of its taxes are used to save poor regions and paying. and you only find time to think this through the character don't have. a ninety five and we pay you right to. carry out your own we each week we even move far even in that package or how about. the mou
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changes here in the country but while france is economically struggling with an enormous huge budget deficit and an unemployment level the highest it's been in more than a decade the question is whether the change that people here voted for has been for the better. or if not. paris france. which has all majors are moving abroad dale's head how business desk or the story. is becoming the latest play will develop an oil field in venezuela the company will have a sixteen billion dollars into the carriage. with the venezuelan oil corporation c v p. also anticipated to toy with b.p. of britain the two firms are currently in negotiations over a stake in b.p. really because of rick's planes. there are more twists and turns in this deal than on the moon is made a park ride to really get the full picture when you take a look at who makes up the n.k.v.d. and how we got so this point so the british partners are here the russian side is represented by a our tension between the two has been brewing for years culminated when b.p. decided to venture out on its own and partner up with another or major that
changes here in the country but while france is economically struggling with an enormous huge budget deficit and an unemployment level the highest it's been in more than a decade the question is whether the change that people here voted for has been for the better. or if not. paris france. which has all majors are moving abroad dale's head how business desk or the story. is becoming the latest play will develop an oil field in venezuela the company will have a sixteen billion dollars into the...
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s dubbed it is a crisis on top of a crisis as they're facing their own problems of deficit reduction and people coming out to the streets in their tens of thousands to protest against how the government is handling austerity measures we've just seen this week protests turned violent the occupy congress movement which started peacefully aim to get a message of and just barely through to a peace and ended in violence of police pushing back the protesters with being hit by batters having rubber bullets fired in their direction and it's also about sixty people were injured in proceedings about thirty people being detained as a worrying sign for some of these demonstrations turned more violent after as a continued. coming up later in the program the british government controlling hand as it flashes the numbers of police officers in attempts to stem the flow from its money talks. the israel wants war with iran over its nuclear program but they do want styles in the way so we're asking for a truce between longtime allies tel aviv and washington times. after. trimmings in this tree even for
s dubbed it is a crisis on top of a crisis as they're facing their own problems of deficit reduction and people coming out to the streets in their tens of thousands to protest against how the government is handling austerity measures we've just seen this week protests turned violent the occupy congress movement which started peacefully aim to get a message of and just barely through to a peace and ended in violence of police pushing back the protesters with being hit by batters having rubber...
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s dubbed it is a crisis on top of a crisis as they're facing their own problems of deficit reduction and people coming out to the streets in their tens of thousands to protest against how the government is handling austerity measures we've just seen this week protests turned violent the occupy congress movement which started peacefully angel get a message of and just there she threw to a peace and ended in violence of police pushing back the protesters were being hit by battens having bullets fired in their direction and it's also about sixty people were injured in proceedings about thirty people be. detained it's a worrying sign. as these demonstrations turn violent as they continue. all of brushing aside accusations of greed alphonse lopez ten a spokesperson for the cattle and solidarity and independence party he says it's not about money it's rather all about self-determination. going to people has. no place. in spain or out of our own i mean it's not a matter of. you know you're going to get a big. show. through us. recently and be afraid be the case they'd only. be saved. and we
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. >> trillion dollar deficits. that debt is owned by somebody. someone holds that. that puts america in a position of economic risk. >> reporter: but even supporters are split on how romney can win this race. >> there is more fire in the belly. >> he needs to stick with the facts. it's all about the economy. >> reporter: more than half the country already started voting days before the first presidential debate. more numbers now. gallup is reporting the president's approval rating is sticking at 50%. and this could turn out to be his best month in a year. >> tracie potts for us in washington. thank you. >>> last night on the rachel madow show bill burton talked to racel about the impact or lack thereof super packs are having on the romney campaign. >> on the republican side, the story they tell about mitt romney is there is no story about mitt romney. the story they tell about barack obama is well he's always bad things. if you're trying to figure out well what is it that -- what's the strategy here? how are we trying to win this race? it's more difficult on their s
. >> trillion dollar deficits. that debt is owned by somebody. someone holds that. that puts america in a position of economic risk. >> reporter: but even supporters are split on how romney can win this race. >> there is more fire in the belly. >> he needs to stick with the facts. it's all about the economy. >> reporter: more than half the country already started voting days before the first presidential debate. more numbers now. gallup is reporting the president's...
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not just from a foreign policy standpoint, one of the reasons that we have huge deficits is that we have these unpaid wars. the voters also view these foreign issues through a prism of the economy. >> david plouffe, thank you very much. >>> we'll be right back with our powerhouse roundtable in just 60 seconds. it's something you're born with. and inspires the things you choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology. we believe in the power of people when technology works for you. to dream. to create. to work. if you're going to do something. make it matter. >>> quick change there. george will is off today. but we're joined by donna brazile on the roundtable. matthew dowd. maggie haberman of politico. two former party chairman. former vermont governor, howard dean for the democrats. and former governor haley barbour for the republicans. matthew dowd, let me begin with you, and setting the stage where the race is right now, we see president obama ahead by about five points nationally, right now, ahead in all of the battlegrou
not just from a foreign policy standpoint, one of the reasons that we have huge deficits is that we have these unpaid wars. the voters also view these foreign issues through a prism of the economy. >> david plouffe, thank you very much. >>> we'll be right back with our powerhouse roundtable in just 60 seconds. it's something you're born with. and inspires the things you choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology....
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there will still be a substantial deficit but it will be much smaller. president obama's main contribution to this $16 billion debt which is -- a $1 trillion debt which is a ten-year figure, projecting out ten years, was the stimulus bill which was $800 billion, which i believe was a good thing to do. i think that that might even be even bigger without it, because it kept people working and paying taxes and off the government payrolls and because it created new jobs and infrastructure in energy. if you look at his annual spending budgets, they are about 2% increases. that's less than the rate of inflation. so i think that the reason that i believe he will win re-election is that we're beginning to recover. we've had a higher rate of job creation since the recession bottomed out, the collapse bottomed out in the middle of 2009, than in the previous eight years, and we are moving in the right direction, and the policies he has advocated are more likely to present a good economic result. that's why if people thought this was just like another recession, he
there will still be a substantial deficit but it will be much smaller. president obama's main contribution to this $16 billion debt which is -- a $1 trillion debt which is a ten-year figure, projecting out ten years, was the stimulus bill which was $800 billion, which i believe was a good thing to do. i think that that might even be even bigger without it, because it kept people working and paying taxes and off the government payrolls and because it created new jobs and infrastructure in...